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New Jersey has GOP governor and Wes is quoting Buckley. Have the liberals just given up? I must’ve missed the headline.
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 10:58 am
And Mr. Hoffman got his keister handed to him in a Republican district and the NJ exit polls showed a 57% Obama approval rating. Corzine sucked and even the Democrats knew it. Your point?
Wes
November 4, 2009 at 6:56 pm
My point now is that I think you may be losing your sense of humor. It was a joke ya see. Lighten up.
Mr Hoffman isn’t a Republican.
As for my home state I said previously that Corzine losing wouldn’t be a referendum on Obama. This place is a mess and everyone knows it. Since you brought it up though I think Obama may have lost some love here for backing Corzine. Maybe not enough to drop his approval rating signifigantly but I think it’s planted the seed of doubt in people’s minds here. Oh yeah and Obama won by 15% here in NJ so 57% isn’t really that impressive when you consider that.
Virginia? Maybe. I honestly don’t know enough about VA’s internal issues to comment intelligently.
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Lost nothing! I never had a sense of humor here.
Wes
November 4, 2009 at 8:28 pm
The planets must be aligned or something.
Dave the Sage
November 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Simply pointing out that when you say that any personal attack doesn’t belong in a political discussion, the most interesting voices cannot be a part of it. I used a conservative voice because they’re the only ones you give a damn about.
Wes
November 4, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I concede that. One or two or three or four maybe. Not 50.
Dave the Sage
November 4, 2009 at 11:06 pm
LOL – NY-23 will turn GOP again in a year. The Dem only won because of the split ticket and the RINO repub throwing her support to the left. If the Dem had won in a heads-up race you could talk trash.
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 7:37 pm
PLEASE. If it had gone the other way or even been close, it would have been a gigantic headline here. I knew Deeds was going to lose, everyone did. I thought Corzine would win, but I didn’t think he deserved to.
But the Hoffman loss says FAR more about the state of the country than the governor races. That was the test of the Tea Party movement. FAIL.
Wes
November 4, 2009 at 8:15 pm
PLEASE, if NJ and Virginny had gone the other way or was even close, Obama and his worshipful Elect(who did everything but post billboards of The One carrying Corzine Piggyback through a field of rainbows while in the background Bush and Chris Christie French Kissed atop a pyramid of ABu Girab prisoners.) would be reading something momentous into the night. You know it and the Beast knows it.
GOP leaders now know that RINOs lose elections. They’ll have to think twice the next time they’re tempted to nominate a Dem for a Repub post.
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 8:27 pm
A race in a little piece of upstate NY says more about the state of the country than two statewide races in states that went STRONGGLY to Obama? One of which includes both the DC suburbs and large rural areas and the other the most densely populated state in the union with an ethnically and financially diverse population situated between two of the largest cities in the country.
Yeah the folks upstate are definitely more representative of the diverse landscape of this country than NJ and VA. Good Poiunt.
I’ll give you some points for admitting that Corzine deserved to lose though.
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 8:30 pm
It says that Tea Party candidates can’t win in areas where Republicans wouldn’t already win. At some point, you’ll realize that you’re freaking nuts in your current state of mind. I don’t know when that will be, but it’s later rather than sooner. Maybe after whatever Glenn Beck scandal reveals him as the phony he really is.
Wes
November 4, 2009 at 8:37 pm
The Party bosses have been put on notice of what, and who, is acceptable. They’ll think twice about running liberals with an “R” behind the name.
Dave the Sage
November 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Mark Steyn called DeDe Fuzzywuzzy a DIABLO Democrat In All But Label Only. I thought that was pretty appropriate.
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm
See? Why is it irrelevant when you clearly still care?
This poll was taken on October 25th:
Hoffman 34
Owens 29
Scozzafava 14
Undecided 23
Presumably, the folks who said they were voting for Hoffman didn’t change their minds. That means of the undecided voters (which would likely include many of the GOP voters, despite what Scozzafava said), Owens picked up practically all of them.
Being Northeastern Republicans, I figured you guys would GET the political atmosphere.
Wes
November 4, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Don’t let me steal your thunder there Wes. Yeah Owens won a 1 year seat in congress. Read the Beast’s comment below and do the math.
district 23 in NY 120,000
NJ 8.4 million
VA 7.5 million
The margin of victory in those two states probably exceeds the etire population of Oweens’ district. So how exactly does that race say more about the state of the country?
And of course I still care. I care about every election that happens around the country not that I follow them all but there were only 3 races of national importance this year so naturally I’m watching all three. My attention span isn’t that short. Hell I’m watching the World Series and doing this at the same time.
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Wes:
Lieberman, 2006! But that was okay, since the KOS Crowd who was pushing the party left and lancing their Moderates – including their own former VP candidate.
But protesting the Dem’s tripling the debt is loony. Now who owns the political middle?
By the way, how did the Independents break yesterday? Left or right? Here’s a hint: it was by a two to one margin!
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Thom, it’s even worse. Corzine was an incumbent in a heavily Dem State with the help of a third party candidate, triple the cash of his opponent and Obama stitched to his neck like an unabsorbed fetal twin and he still managed to tank by a number higher than Hoffman – the third party candidate who almost won!
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Yep, and let us not forget this was a vote of some one hundred and twenty thousand souls, vs the millions and millions in Jersey and Virginny. Trust the looney left to seize upon whatever straw in reach. Heh.
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Wes sid “It says that Tea Party candidates can’t win in areas where Republicans wouldn’t already win.”
So who was the Republican candidate in NY 23?
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Now that’s a trick question thom. Let’s see…
Not Scozzafavazavaguava – she backed the Dem…
Not Hoffman – he was a third party candidate…
Not the Dem, cuz, he’s – you know – a Dem…
Ok the Beast Gives.
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Try and reason it out like a riddle.
The “Republican” Scab and fester dropped out
Hoffman was a 3rd party candidate
and Owens was the Democrat
So…….. you ready
Is the suspense killing you????????
There was no Republican candidate!!!
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 9:13 pm
By the way it IS kind of a shame that we’ll never hear from her again because that is a name just MADE for mockery.
thompaine
November 4, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Yep, back in the 80’s NH elected A Dem congressman who was named Richard Swett.
But everybody called him “Dick”.
No lie.
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Yeah but it was the most important race of the election, thom. Wes said so. The third party candidate who ran against the Dem and the Dem-Backing Repub almost won! That’s important, isn’t it?
hairybeast
November 4, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Pretty remarkable to me how close the race was in NY 23, given that Hoffman was unknown until a few weeks before the election. Also, Scozzafavarazza was still on the ballot and RECEIVED something like 5% of the vote. It is entirely possible that relatively unknown Hoffman could have pulled this off.
But those are just minor details, of course.
Mo K.
November 5, 2009 at 9:37 am
If by minor you mean less significant than the fact that this was a Democratic win in a solidly Republican district at a time when Republicans are more disaffected than they have been in years, then yes, they are.
Furthermore, the Democrats had far less reason to turn out for a national race this year, because they had far less to prove. Facts are that Owens should never have won that seat and Hoffman was comfortably ahead of his Republican counterpart in polling before she quit.
And the “relatively unknown” Hoffman had insane amounts of support from the conservative hive mind.
Gah, who cares? This is stupid.
Wes
November 5, 2009 at 9:49 am
“a time when Republicans are more disaffected than they have been in years,”
I’ve got to disagree with you there. I contend that they were far more disaffected from 06 through 08. They are starting to get their act together. In a way it is eazier to lure voters to your side while you are not in power. After all you can’t be blamed when things go wrong. Think about the Dems in the later Bush years.
“Gah, who cares? This is stupid.”
You know I genuinely feel bad for Wes sometimes. For a liberal he almost always presents a passionate, articulate argument but alas he is simply far outnumbered.
thompaine
November 5, 2009 at 10:18 am
I just didn’t get why Scozzafavarazza dropped out. I guess she didn’t want to get embarrassed by how badly she was going to get beaten. Nobody wants to come in third I guess in a nationally followed congressional race.
Dave the Sage
November 5, 2009 at 6:06 pm